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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone episode number

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four four seven 447 for the 14th of May

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2017 Richardson is here from Sydney

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Australia happy Mother's Day to all the

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mothers listening today and happy

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birthday for yesterday for one of our

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wonderful report is Heidi Robertson the

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Ross skeptic and she's going to be

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kicking off this week's episode of the

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skeptic zone a very telling report from

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Heidi and she makes a very very good

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point about those people who say well we

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don't vaccinate our kids and they're

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doing really well a very telling report

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indeed for the raw skeptic this week to

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kick off the skeptic zone after Heidi

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and her raw skeptic report brouhaha

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sites from Australia science dot TV a

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bit of an unusual one this week Ben

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Lewis is going to be looking at leaking

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scientific emails leaking scientific

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emails it's a bit odd stay tuned for

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that one then following that it's an

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interview with Clare Klingenberg all the

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way from the Czech Republic

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Clare's going to be updating us updating

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us on the news about the upcoming

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European skeptics Congress in Poland

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beautiful Poland a bit later on this

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year

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find out who some of the speakers are

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and where it's going to be held with the

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Clare Klingenberg all the way on the

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line from the Czech Republic then to

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round off the show it's a bit of a blast

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from the not-too-distant past with dr.

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Ratey dr. Reggie reports now way back

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not too long ago in 2010 a dr. Aichi and

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former reporter dr. Chrissy appeared on

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Sydney radio live in the studio on the

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Glen wheeler nighttime show and dr.

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band of the time which is big news and

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applied kinesiology raining fish mind

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body wallet festivals and UFOs now it's

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and I appeared on Glenn wheeler show to

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the time crash into Glen Glen has had a

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very long recovery from his injuries and

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time but what a great time we had with

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Glen and what a great bloke he still is

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Glen used to do wonderful spoof cold

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readings on his show and Australians

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will certainly know who I'm talking

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about making a very strong recovery but

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it's certainly a long road for Glen

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with dr. Aichi and dr. Chrissy to round

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off the show now in the last couple of

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days this thing has invaded the skeptic

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no it's not some sort of weird alien

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moth or some people know might recognize

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that sound straightaway yes it's a

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fidget spinner mm-hmm years yes yes

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photographed with one the fad is over if

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fidget spinners they are strangely

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but we're just waiting for more Wu to

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going to invent a new pseudoscience put

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pseudoscience here and we've certainly

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seen examples of a lot less impressive

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energies to water another substance and

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so why not a fidget spinner how do you

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put it away stay over there even the

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cats like it Henrietta and more the

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it out on the table it won't be long

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before I come over and try to to stop it

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and then they'll started again good

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grief what next now on last week's

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episode of the skeptic zone I mentioned

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all sorts of skeptical conventions

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coming up and the one that I didn't

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mention was skeptic on the Australian

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skeptics National Convention in fact

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this will be the 33rd National

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Convention for Australian skeptics and

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it's presented by think Inc and the

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Australian skeptics and ideas festival

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Saturday the 18th and Sunday the 19th of

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November at the city recital hall in

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the website is skeptic on Australia org

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dot au and the blurb says

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the wait is over tickets are now

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available for skeptic on the 2017

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Australian skeptics National Convention

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The Skeptical

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highlight of the year our 33rd

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convention is being organized by

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thinking and will be held on November

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the 18th or 19th 2017 at the city

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recital hall angel place Sydney this

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speakers including science media star

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dr. Carl

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Priscilla scheme of course astronomer

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Alan Duffy YouTube super debunker

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captain disillusion comedian and MC

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Lawrence lung former naturopath and now

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critic evolve med Britt Hermes doctor

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and TV personality dr. Brad Makai

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award-winning documentary maker Sonja

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Pemberton Walkley award winning

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journalist cathy marks and dr.

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competition dr. veeram sharma more great

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speakers will be announced soon as well

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as news of the convention dinner on the

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night of Saturday the 18th of November

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single day and full weekend tickets are

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oh yes looking forward to that

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convention a bit later on in the year

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here in Sydney and goodness me there are

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a lot of conventions skeptical

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from Claire soon about the one in the in

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Europe in Poland

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we've got announcement later on in this

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episode about a skeptic owl in Berkeley

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in California QED is coming up it'll the

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list goes on the list goes on if you

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have the opportunity this year for the

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rest of this year if you're near one of

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these conventions come along we've got

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the Northeast Conference of science and

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skepticism in New York coming up next

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month which I shall be at all sorts of

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wonderful conventions well now it's time

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for me to run downstairs and make myself

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a little selection of camembert um bleu

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cheese a little bit of blue cheese but a

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camembert some crackers nice big square

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that sounds okay to me well I do all

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that and enjoy all that I hope you enjoy

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it's the raw skeptic report with Heidi

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Robertson hello everyone

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Heidi Robertson here from the Northern

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vaccinated child to vaccines are

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unnatural to vaccines weaken the immune

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system to the old tired and thoroughly

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chickenpox and whooping cough but that

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it's easy for me to get off track if you

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it's because this issue has become such

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an ingrained part of life now that I

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have to worry whenever I'm in the

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shopping center with my kids and we hear

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community in the past week the mistrust

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sick people do not seek the advice and

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treatment from their family general

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practitioner because they do not have

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one they may go to their local herb shop

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for advice or their naturopath or

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homeopathy or even their chiropractor

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who acts as their primary health care

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practitioner the vast majority of who

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reasonable scenario for the Northern

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with a nasty persistent cough in they go

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don't know anything you see so you

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should avoid them at all costs mind you

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broken leg or saving your life in the

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case of a heart attack but other than

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they are all out to purposely maim and

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kill our children so in they go to the

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herb shop and they speak with the

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naturopath behind the counter or a

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herbalist or a homeopathy this sales

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if an examination is performed it may

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consist of pseudo scientific procedures

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and questions involving chakras

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kinesiology or asking if the child has

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suffered any recent traumas that may

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have caused the quote disease and quote

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a definitive diagnosis of whooping cough

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is not made because they lack both the

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medical expertise may deny germ theory

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altogether and certainly do not take a

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swab and send it off to pathology

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therefore Public Health never hears of

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these patients and the child with

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whooping cough is free to run around in

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the community with various concoctions

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of herbal preparations onboard which

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have no evidence of efficacy are not

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regulated and in many cases do not even

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contain the same doses of active

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ingredient from batch to batch or they

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get sugar water I've done a report on

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whooping cough previously in episode

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number 335 of the sceptic Zone when baby

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Riley Hughes died from whooping cough in

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it I mentioned that the current vaccine

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although not perfect still has about an

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84% efficacy after three doses of

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preventing severe disease the vaccine we

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currently have is better at reducing the

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severity and not as good as preventing

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the disease itself altogether yes

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vaccinated people can still get whooping

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cough this does not equate to a vaccine

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failure and a vaccinated people do often

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in this area contract whooping cough

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because we literally have no herd

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immunity that is the less people

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vaccinated the more chance the disease

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has of spreading throughout the

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community which it is clearly doing here

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so take the 37

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cases diagnosed in the past week with a

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grain of salt it would not be surprising

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if it were easily double that rate but

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how does this compare with neighboring

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districts who have better vaccination

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rates and the rest of the state of New

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South Wales as a whole I quote from The

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Daily Telegraph article by Jane Hansen

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on the weekend which is titled whooping

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cough outbreak in anti VAX and clave

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quote the rate of whooping cough in the

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northern district is nine times that of

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the neighboring Mid North Coast health

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district which has only registered 17

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cases this year a Sunday Telegraph

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analysis of the local health districts

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revealed x' northern New South Wales

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also had a much higher incidence of

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whooping cough than any other area in

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the state in 2016 as well a total of

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10,000 832 New South Wales children

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contracted whooping cough statewide in

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2016 according to New South Wales health

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data children living in the north coast

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region which has the lowest vaccination

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rate in the country suffered four times

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more whooping cough than comparable

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areas in 2016 and quote and then further

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on in the article quote the northern New

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South Wales Health District registered

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518 cases of whooping cough in children

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last year almost four times the rate of

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the Mid North Coast Health District

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which registered only 158 cases the two

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health districts have similar population

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numbers but the Mid North Coast has a

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higher vaccination rate and therefore

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better third immunity for Central Coast

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local health district which boasts some

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of the highest immunization rates in New

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South Wales only registered 372 cases

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despite a greater population than

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northern New South Wales and quote and

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again further in the article quote

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Australian Medical Association president

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dr. Michael Gannon said whooping cough

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rates in northern New South Wales were

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probably much higher than recall

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figures because many in the community as

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to the GP favor of alternative

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practitioners he said a lot would not

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get diagnosed people should hold their

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breath when driving through northern New

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South Wales but it's a bit hard to hold

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your breath for 100 kilometres the

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director of the north coast Public

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Health Unit told The Sunday Telegraph

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that the community is at a much greater

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risk of outbreaks that can run out of

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control

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communities with low vaccination levels

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will have more disease he said two

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babies died in the region during the

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2009 to 2012 outbreak of whooping cough

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at one month old

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both Dana McCaffrey and Kahless Smith

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were too young to be vaccinated and

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succumbed to the horrid disease in 2009

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and 2011 respectively

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Tony McCaffrey has campaigned for a

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targeted campaign to address

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immunisation rates in the region since

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the death of her daughter Dana quote the

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perfect storm when Dana died is brewing

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again it's crucial pregnant women in the

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area get that booster shot to protect

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their newborns and quote mrs. McCaffrey

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said quote when Dana died whooping cough

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was four times the rate as well we need

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to explain to parents why they should

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vaccinate their child and educate them

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about the diseases that they are

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preventing in many cases there is no

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cure and all that modern medicine can do

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is support a child through it

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mrs. McCaffrey said end quote so what

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are the anti-vaccine about these telling

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figures so far I've seen the following

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comments quote I do put the health of my

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children above others when I spoke to a

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very pro vaccine professor of medicine

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more than 20 years ago he told me the

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best advice he could give was for me not

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to vaccinate my kids but for everyone

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else to do so for the herd immunity

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effect end quote and quote I have not

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and would not subject myself of my

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children to these barbaric drugs

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designed to cull population and weaken

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people's minds wake up and stop being

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sheep people we don't need them it's

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just another form of government control

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and quote and here's a pearler quote the

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Muslims are bringing the disease's back

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mate and you are falling for it end

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quote those quotes above we're all just

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on the stop the AVN Facebook page under

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the post on this story in an anti

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vaccination group one prominent

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campaigner was celebrating the return of

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whooping cough by posting the article

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alongside her comment we are winning yep

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just a small sample I cannot go to the

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other anti vaccination forums to see

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what has been posted due to a selfish

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self interest in maintaining my mental

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health some may say what's left of it

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after this story broke with these

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statistics we thought it would be a good

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time to also ask for some other

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statistics to be released it would be

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interesting to know what the uptake is

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of the maternal third trimester whooping

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cough booster specifically in our area

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to see if it correlates at all with the

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increase in whooping cough outbreaks the

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maternal booster has been offered to

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women free of charge since March or

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April of 2015 so it's been long enough

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to have seen a reduction in pitous if

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enough pregnant women here were taking

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up the vaccination so far we've been

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told that the data is due to be released

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soon so we'll keep you updated on that

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we have posted the link to the full

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Daily Telegraph story on our Facebook

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page northern rivers vaccination

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supporters and it has been widely shared

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which we are grateful for if any

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listeners would like to visit our page

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and give it a like or even occasionally

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share some of our posts it would be much

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appreciated we can also be found on

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twitter at in our VAX supporters VA ex

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and at WWN RVs info thank you again to

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Richard and all the wonderful skeptic

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zone listeners for your ongoing support

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and encouragement that's it for me for

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now thank you for listening I hope to

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have another report out soon maybe even

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nonvaccine related this is Heidi

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way Berkeley California Sunday June the

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and now direct from the cafe at

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Australia's Science Channel

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it's brouhaha with Ben Lewis a fresh

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email leak has just landed and we are

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loving this particular peek behind the

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curtains of the CSIRO dial back the

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clock to the innocent days of 2015

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New Horizons whizzed past Pluto

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audiences flocked to the theaters to

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watch Furious 7 and the world prepared

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for cop21 the international climate

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change conference in Paris according to

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these emails when it came to making a

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submission to the government on

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greenhouse gas reduction targets

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it was management this is scientists at

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the CSIRO basically the scientists

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wanted to make one and management didn't

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ultimately the scientists made a

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separate submission independence of the

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CSIRO hang on scientists of the CSIRO

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like most receptions scientific

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institutions are allowed and in fact

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encouraged to speak out in their areas

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of expertise but as soon as the topic

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strays into policy the scientists are

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expected to zip their lips as

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representatives of their institution but

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hey scientists you can tell us

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everything next time you want to leg

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something send it our way we'll be wide

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eyes and open ears from which scientists

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leaves dirty petri dishes all over the

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lab benches so who wasted millions of

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dollars in funding we're here for you

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you can tell us anything

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for more brouhaha and australian science

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joining me now all the way from the

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Czech Republic and what a beautiful

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country that is - I've had the pleasure

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of visiting the Czech Republic ah twice

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over the last 20 years of a wonderful

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place from the Czech

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skeptics club Sisyphus it's clear

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Klingenberg good morning and good

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evening Clare good morning and good

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evening to you I know it's late at night

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in the czech republic right now and it's

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sort of early in the morning here in

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australia but that's the way the

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internet works with you when you're

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interviewing people around the planet

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now we've given you a call we've

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contacted you to remind us fill us in on

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the upcoming European skeptics Congress

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which is going to be held in Poland now

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you are on the sceptic Zone or some

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months ago in January when the Ranse

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give interviewed you how are things

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shaping up for the Congress and what can

552
00:26:27,999 --> 00:26:26,059
you tell our listeners so of course it's

553
00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:28,009
everything is shaping up great we are

554
00:26:34,869 --> 00:26:33,289
very very excited by the Congress it's a

555
00:26:36,970 --> 00:26:34,879
Cooperation Congress between the Czech

556
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:36,980
Republic and and Poland's and the police

557
00:26:43,690 --> 00:26:41,600
critics the Congress itself will have

558
00:26:46,299 --> 00:26:43,700
traditional and less traditional skeptic

559
00:26:49,210 --> 00:26:46,309
topics and what we are very happy about

560
00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:49,220
is the number of workshops that we have

561
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:51,710
for the public which are free for the

562
00:26:57,610 --> 00:26:55,129
public which is kind of the main are the

563
00:27:00,100 --> 00:26:57,620
main thing we skeptics should do is the

564
00:27:02,289 --> 00:27:00,110
public outreach so we are very I'm very

565
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:02,299
very happy that my polish colleagues

566
00:27:06,879 --> 00:27:04,490
managed to secure so many wonderful

567
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:06,889
speakers for the public as well not just

568
00:27:12,610 --> 00:27:10,730
for us for descriptives now can you tell

569
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:12,620
me a little bit about where the Congress

570
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:16,730
is going to be held I hoping it's

571
00:27:21,210 --> 00:27:19,010
pronounced something like votes for is

572
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:21,220
that right yes so

573
00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:24,130
the city of brasov in Poland don't worry

574
00:27:28,980 --> 00:27:26,110
it has an International Airport with

575
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:28,990
services from London and Berlin and like

576
00:27:36,780 --> 00:27:33,610
every other major European city so it's

577
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:36,790
not in the middle of nowhere you can get

578
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:39,490
there so the city of Brussels um is a

579
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:42,610
very beautiful very historic city um has

580
00:27:46,890 --> 00:27:44,650
a wonderful University and the

581
00:27:50,730 --> 00:27:46,900
University of Guelph is also the venue

582
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:50,740
of the Congress uh for those who want to

583
00:27:54,330 --> 00:27:52,450
have like a little road trip we have

584
00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:54,340
this kind of event in Prague into

585
00:27:59,280 --> 00:27:56,710
Republic the day before the Congress

586
00:28:02,880 --> 00:27:59,290
starts with a bus service to varrock

587
00:28:04,980 --> 00:28:02,890
slot which is only three hours away so

588
00:28:06,750 --> 00:28:04,990
that's kind of a fun thing to do and we

589
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:06,760
have people signing up to do that as

590
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:09,690
well but the city of broad Slav it's

591
00:28:14,670 --> 00:28:12,730
interesting because it has ten mill

592
00:28:15,330 --> 00:28:14,680
ville Prize winners connected with it

593
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:15,340
mm-hmm

594
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:18,850
so that's quite a number that's not bad

595
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:21,010
and you know what folks I'm as I speak

596
00:28:24,210 --> 00:28:21,850
to Claire

597
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:24,220
I'm just casting an eye over the website

598
00:28:31,410 --> 00:28:27,850
for the Congress which is euro skeptics

599
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:31,420
con and skeptics can be spelt with a K

600
00:28:37,650 --> 00:28:34,570
or a C in this case and the city looks

601
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:37,660
just beautiful I mean gorgeous and the

602
00:28:43,380 --> 00:28:42,130
facilities are fantastic in fact I'm

603
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:43,390
sort of getting swept away here folks

604
00:28:48,450 --> 00:28:45,850
because the website itself rotates

605
00:28:51,390 --> 00:28:48,460
images of this beautiful beautiful place

606
00:28:53,850 --> 00:28:51,400
in Poland now what can people expect

607
00:28:58,170 --> 00:28:53,860
apart from the workshops who can people

608
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:58,180
expect to see speak there Clare uh well

609
00:29:06,330 --> 00:29:01,360
our main star of the whole event of

610
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:06,340
course is James Randi haha it's making

611
00:29:12,780 --> 00:29:10,330
his a kind of European tour um after our

612
00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:12,790
after our Congress he's going to stop in

613
00:29:17,490 --> 00:29:15,280
Italy for the cheek up Congress but

614
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:17,500
you're very very happy that he's decided

615
00:29:22,890 --> 00:29:20,320
to come and speak at our at our Congress

616
00:29:24,540 --> 00:29:22,900
in broad slub he was speaking in the

617
00:29:27,210 --> 00:29:24,550
European skeptics Congress a couple of

618
00:29:28,980 --> 00:29:27,220
years ago when it was in Sweden and now

619
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:28,990
he's going to be speaking the one that

620
00:29:35,010 --> 00:29:32,650
saw in Poland wow that's fantastic and

621
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:35,020
what a man he is to be

622
00:29:42,390 --> 00:29:38,650
still so so active at at he's a

623
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:42,400
wonderful age it's just fantastic yes I

624
00:29:46,380 --> 00:29:43,810
have I was very lucky to have the

625
00:29:49,290 --> 00:29:46,390
opportunity to meet him at saikhan in

626
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:49,300
October and I'm very happy he accepted

627
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:52,240
my invitation to come and speak at this

628
00:29:57,870 --> 00:29:55,210
Congress I think I will just bring it to

629
00:30:00,030 --> 00:29:57,880
the completing of another level I'm sure

630
00:30:04,260 --> 00:30:00,040
it will but like what other speakers we

631
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:04,270
have um yeah kind of like a Pacific

632
00:30:10,110 --> 00:30:06,880
conferences there are certain speakers

633
00:30:11,910 --> 00:30:10,120
that we tend to hear a lot and so what

634
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:11,920
we wanted to do is kind of mix it up a

635
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:13,360
little bit if you want to give the

636
00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:15,130
people different kind of take a

637
00:30:19,710 --> 00:30:17,260
different kind of flavor so we have

638
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:19,720
speakers pulley speakers and chick

639
00:30:23,550 --> 00:30:21,490
speakers who usually are not featured

640
00:30:27,860 --> 00:30:23,560
but who are in the top of their

641
00:30:31,020 --> 00:30:27,870
respective fields and as well from other

642
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:31,030
speakers from other countries we have

643
00:30:39,150 --> 00:30:35,250
for example Susan Blackmore and we have

644
00:30:41,370 --> 00:30:39,160
Scotland field and Mark Landis so who

645
00:30:46,110 --> 00:30:41,380
are also very big stars in their own

646
00:30:48,150 --> 00:30:46,120
field and I noticed - um my friend and

647
00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:48,160
known to many people susan gerbic will

648
00:30:53,370 --> 00:30:50,110
be there too she's doing wonderful work

649
00:30:57,090 --> 00:30:53,380
on Wikipedia there's like no one else

650
00:31:01,170 --> 00:30:57,100
would be so active and she really her

651
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:01,180
work is shaping um the public eye and

652
00:31:06,450 --> 00:31:03,730
the public opinion so much she's

653
00:31:08,190 --> 00:31:06,460
wonderful yeah oh she certainly is uh

654
00:31:10,350 --> 00:31:08,200
she's a real trouper

655
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:10,360
and an old friend of mine I see Sonali

656
00:31:17,420 --> 00:31:13,810
animatic who is gonna be there - yes yes

657
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:17,430
um Sonali Miroku he has his own

658
00:31:24,090 --> 00:31:20,320
conference going on next week next

659
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:24,100
weekend in Helsinki um he has heard the

660
00:31:28,620 --> 00:31:25,690
brushless international group as well

661
00:31:32,130 --> 00:31:28,630
and we're very lucky that he agreed to

662
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:32,140
speak at our European Congress well look

663
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:34,930
clear it's shaping up to be a fantastic

664
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:38,170
event it's one of the many sceptical

665
00:31:42,150 --> 00:31:39,730
events around the world I wish I could

666
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:42,160
attend just to soak in or the atmosphere

667
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:44,530
and the history and the culture of the

668
00:31:47,610 --> 00:31:46,240
region

669
00:31:49,410 --> 00:31:47,620
not not to mention of course the

670
00:31:51,150 --> 00:31:49,420
wonderful speakers and workshops that

671
00:31:53,910 --> 00:31:51,160
you're going to have there folks it's

672
00:31:56,460 --> 00:31:53,920
the 17th European skeptics Congress and

673
00:32:00,830 --> 00:31:56,470
that those dates again are September the

674
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:00,840
22nd to the 24th the website is euro

675
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:04,960
skeptics con and skeptics can be spelt

676
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:08,110
with a K or a C in this case links are

677
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:11,050
to all of that on this week's show notes

678
00:32:14,490 --> 00:32:12,730
will clear wonderful to catch up with

679
00:32:17,070 --> 00:32:14,500
you I'll certainly be promoting this

680
00:32:19,919 --> 00:32:17,080
Congress in the coming months and I

681
00:32:21,630 --> 00:32:19,929
think I'm going to be very lucky to meet

682
00:32:25,530 --> 00:32:21,640
you in person a bit later on

683
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:25,540
in a few months in New York yes I look

684
00:32:29,970 --> 00:32:28,330
for a tattoo it will be my first nexus

685
00:32:31,919 --> 00:32:29,980
conference I do

686
00:32:33,510 --> 00:32:31,929
but for now Claire Klingenberg all the

687
00:32:52,350 --> 00:32:33,520
way from the beautiful Czech Republic

688
00:32:54,450 --> 00:32:52,360
thank you very much thank you and now a

689
00:32:57,510 --> 00:32:54,460
special note for fans of Maynard at

690
00:33:00,919 --> 00:32:57,520
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691
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692
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693
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694
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695
00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:10,990
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696
00:33:17,220 --> 00:33:14,100
to put it on the wall and head for

697
00:33:28,490 --> 00:33:17,230
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698
00:33:35,690 --> 00:33:31,890
now it's time for dr. Rachel reports

699
00:33:40,410 --> 00:33:37,710
all right the Australian skeptics

700
00:33:42,060 --> 00:33:40,420
joining us once again in the studio and

701
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:42,070
always a delight to have them on board

702
00:33:45,860 --> 00:33:43,690
because so we touch on some very

703
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:45,870
interesting topics that we dr. Rachel

704
00:33:50,220 --> 00:33:47,710
dr. Rachel Wilson

705
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:50,230
why because the doctor dr. Rachel Dunlop

706
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:53,110
with us and dr. Chrissy Wilson okay and

707
00:33:56,670 --> 00:33:54,490
how are you college just extraordinary

708
00:33:58,410 --> 00:33:56,680
like Kristie nice to have you along yeah

709
00:34:00,660 --> 00:33:58,420
well thanks Rach very well happy Earth

710
00:34:02,730 --> 00:34:00,670
Hour to you Glenn yeah did you turn the

711
00:34:04,140 --> 00:34:02,740
lights off in here we did it well yeah

712
00:34:06,930 --> 00:34:04,150
we did and we fumbled around in the dark

713
00:34:08,340 --> 00:34:06,940
good made a lot of mistakes but um press

714
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:08,350
the wrong button like I guess I'm

715
00:34:11,610 --> 00:34:10,240
skeptical that really achieves anything

716
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:11,620
really yeah a lot of people have been

717
00:34:15,330 --> 00:34:13,570
saying that haven't they that some I did

718
00:34:17,130 --> 00:34:15,340
hear some people saying that even the

719
00:34:19,590 --> 00:34:17,140
process of turning all those lights off

720
00:34:21,090 --> 00:34:19,600
and then back on can actually create

721
00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:21,100
more views more power I don't know how

722
00:34:24,540 --> 00:34:22,990
true that is but um some people have

723
00:34:26,490 --> 00:34:24,550
been questioning the value of that yeah

724
00:34:28,290 --> 00:34:26,500
something that certainly came to my

725
00:34:29,790 --> 00:34:28,300
attention a few weeks ago and I know

726
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:29,800
that it's come to your attention because

727
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:32,410
in the current issue of your skeptics

728
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:35,890
magazine the skeptic yes which I get a

729
00:34:38,730 --> 00:34:37,690
copy of and would parody recommend

730
00:34:40,020 --> 00:34:38,740
anyone that's interested in reading

731
00:34:42,330 --> 00:34:40,030
about all this sort of stuff get a copy

732
00:34:43,770 --> 00:34:42,340
of because it makes for some very good

733
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:43,780
reading it's really good reading yeah

734
00:34:49,140 --> 00:34:45,250
very very interesting stuff everything

735
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:49,150
from UFOs to weather whether God would

736
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:52,690
Jesus was gay that wasn't it I dare not

737
00:34:55,350 --> 00:34:54,010
share that article with our listeners

738
00:34:57,180 --> 00:34:55,360
tonight I think we'll break them into

739
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:57,190
that story very gently but but the

740
00:35:00,330 --> 00:34:58,960
reasoning behind it was quite

741
00:35:02,490 --> 00:35:00,340
fascinating yes

742
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:02,500
yeah that's in the forum section isn't

743
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:04,510
it a very long discussion about whether

744
00:35:09,810 --> 00:35:06,910
Jesus was gay yeah and the reasons why

745
00:35:11,850 --> 00:35:09,820
but but you know in in plotting through

746
00:35:15,150 --> 00:35:11,860
all of the reasons that this particular

747
00:35:16,590 --> 00:35:15,160
writer wrote in about it was it made me

748
00:35:18,060 --> 00:35:16,600
stop and think I was really unemployed

749
00:35:19,380 --> 00:35:18,070
and I thought okay that's quite

750
00:35:21,180 --> 00:35:19,390
interesting yeah there was some

751
00:35:22,530 --> 00:35:21,190
interesting aspects to all that but the

752
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:22,540
thing that I particularly want to talk

753
00:35:25,950 --> 00:35:23,530
about is not now that we've got a couple

754
00:35:27,930 --> 00:35:25,960
of things on the agenda the guy that

755
00:35:29,730 --> 00:35:27,940
runs the gym that I go to oh yes

756
00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:29,740
who was a very knowledgeable young bloke

757
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:32,110
and terrific at nutrition and health and

758
00:35:34,349 --> 00:35:33,130
keeping his

759
00:35:35,849 --> 00:35:34,359
ape and all that sort of caper he turned

760
00:35:37,740 --> 00:35:35,859
up the other day with one of these power

761
00:35:39,509 --> 00:35:37,750
wristbands and he said you got to get

762
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:39,519
one of these and I said stop right there

763
00:35:44,730 --> 00:35:42,160
stop in the name of love stop in the

764
00:35:46,529 --> 00:35:44,740
name of skepticism Glenn he said he said

765
00:35:47,759 --> 00:35:46,539
no he said let me show you and I said

766
00:35:49,410 --> 00:35:47,769
you don't need to you know show me how

767
00:35:51,539 --> 00:35:49,420
if I wear it

768
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:51,549
you're gonna put tip me over without it

769
00:35:53,309 --> 00:35:52,480
then when I put it on you're going to

770
00:35:54,809 --> 00:35:53,319
show me how it works

771
00:35:56,490 --> 00:35:54,819
I said you're about 30 years too late

772
00:35:58,859 --> 00:35:56,500
I've seen this already for at least 30

773
00:36:02,240 --> 00:35:58,869
years ago yeah yeah then let me guess I

774
00:36:05,370 --> 00:36:02,250
bet at 60 bucks that's right

775
00:36:06,539 --> 00:36:05,380
completely psyche how did you know this

776
00:36:08,460 --> 00:36:06,549
have you read the article in The

777
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:08,470
Australian skeptic well no you know what

778
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:10,960
I hadn't read your article right all but

779
00:36:16,140 --> 00:36:12,730
I had already been approached by another

780
00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:16,150
very good friend of mine who is a

781
00:36:21,569 --> 00:36:18,910
businessman a very smart businessman bun

782
00:36:22,799 --> 00:36:21,579
but he also was wearing one and I said

783
00:36:24,359 --> 00:36:22,809
what are you wearing that for he said

784
00:36:27,390 --> 00:36:24,369
because it's improved my golf swing no

785
00:36:28,980 --> 00:36:27,400
end yeah so that right yeah I was in the

786
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:28,990
whole world wearing one tell us what's

787
00:36:32,789 --> 00:36:30,730
behind on well it's called Power Balance

788
00:36:34,759 --> 00:36:32,799
the ones that you're talking about Glen

789
00:36:37,950 --> 00:36:34,769
and it was advertised on Today Tonight

790
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:37,960
about a few months back actually where

791
00:36:41,940 --> 00:36:40,000
they did a story showing that it can

792
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:41,950
increase your flexibility and your

793
00:36:46,589 --> 00:36:44,650
balance apparently and you're right it

794
00:36:48,990 --> 00:36:46,599
is $60 and what it is it's a piece of

795
00:36:51,210 --> 00:36:49,000
sort of rubber like those sort of

796
00:36:52,529 --> 00:36:51,220
charity bracelets by now you know those

797
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:52,539
sort of things but it's embedded with a

798
00:36:57,180 --> 00:36:55,210
hologram now this hologram is supposed

799
00:36:59,940 --> 00:36:57,190
to align your energies and then allow

800
00:37:01,769 --> 00:36:59,950
you to become better at golf or better

801
00:37:03,930 --> 00:37:01,779
at swimming so actually a lot of

802
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:03,940
athletes tend to wear them and that's

803
00:37:07,620 --> 00:37:05,650
how they are promoted by Power Balance

804
00:37:09,779 --> 00:37:07,630
is that you know so-and-so who won the

805
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:09,789
the world record in the Olympic Games

806
00:37:13,170 --> 00:37:11,440
wore one so they must work so they

807
00:37:15,749 --> 00:37:13,180
actually promoted at that level do they

808
00:37:18,299 --> 00:37:15,759
oh yeah absolutely yeah yeah they have a

809
00:37:22,049 --> 00:37:18,309
lot of presence on Facebook where they

810
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:22,059
have a lot of pushing of that yeah top

811
00:37:26,220 --> 00:37:24,160
athletes wear them yeah but my question

812
00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:26,230
is how do they how do they support the

813
00:37:29,940 --> 00:37:28,390
theory that this hologram to me is just

814
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:29,950
an absolute crock

815
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:32,170
well Richard Saunders who is usually

816
00:37:35,819 --> 00:37:34,089
here - he's not in tonight but he in

817
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:35,829
fact did a follow-up story on Today

818
00:37:40,019 --> 00:37:38,079
Tonight where he rang up the producers

819
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,029
and he said look what you've just shown

820
00:37:44,609 --> 00:37:42,160
is complete nonsense as you're saying

821
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:44,619
and he went over to Adelaide to do a

822
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:46,690
test and he did five tests

823
00:37:50,910 --> 00:37:49,210
err he used it also comes as sort of

824
00:37:52,819 --> 00:37:50,920
like a business card as well you don't

825
00:37:55,410 --> 00:37:52,829
have to have it as a bracelet so he took

826
00:37:57,210 --> 00:37:55,420
the actual Power Balance card and then

827
00:37:59,490 --> 00:37:57,220
he took a business card and he went over

828
00:38:01,770 --> 00:37:59,500
to do this with Tom O'Dowd who is the

829
00:38:03,329 --> 00:38:01,780
fellow who has the Australian rights to

830
00:38:04,859 --> 00:38:03,339
sell that's right yeah he's that he's

831
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:04,869
the man that distributes it in Australia

832
00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:07,119
so he put Tom O'Dowd to the test with

833
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,310
just a normal business card or a Power

834
00:38:13,530 --> 00:38:11,200
Balance card and when that test was

835
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:13,540
blinded which means that neither the

836
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:15,520
participants or Tom knew who had the

837
00:38:18,510 --> 00:38:18,010
power balance card it failed every

838
00:38:20,339 --> 00:38:18,520
single time

839
00:38:21,930 --> 00:38:20,349
there was six my recall of the story was

840
00:38:24,780 --> 00:38:21,940
that there were six candidates selected

841
00:38:27,150 --> 00:38:24,790
that's right yes on each occasion the

842
00:38:29,370 --> 00:38:27,160
the test failed yes and on each occasion

843
00:38:31,380 --> 00:38:29,380
Richard said to Tom Oh doubt are you

844
00:38:34,260 --> 00:38:31,390
happy with this person you've selected

845
00:38:36,210 --> 00:38:34,270
that's right yes he did he did say yes

846
00:38:39,329 --> 00:38:36,220
he said yes before and then he said yes

847
00:38:41,309 --> 00:38:39,339
after but I'm it's the way that it works

848
00:38:44,180 --> 00:38:41,319
is it's a process called applied

849
00:38:46,859 --> 00:38:44,190
kinesiology and this is where if

850
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:46,869
listeners have seen the segment but what

851
00:38:51,569 --> 00:38:48,910
happens is if you say for example extend

852
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:51,579
your arm out to your side completely and

853
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:54,640
then you wear the bracelet the person

854
00:38:57,660 --> 00:38:56,170
who's testing you will push on your arm

855
00:38:59,760 --> 00:38:57,670
and without the bracelet they'll be able

856
00:39:01,920 --> 00:38:59,770
to push you over but with the bracelet

857
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:01,930
you should be able to be stronger now

858
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:03,280
it's really quite simple the way it's

859
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:05,530
done and in fact Richard and I do a show

860
00:39:08,309 --> 00:39:06,970
for children called mystery

861
00:39:10,380 --> 00:39:08,319
investigators and we've just started

862
00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:10,390
using it in our show and it's really

863
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:12,760
about physics in a sense and in the

864
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:15,250
centre of your balance so it's it's a

865
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:17,200
very very subtle effect but if you just

866
00:39:21,059 --> 00:39:18,970
slightly change the position of the way

867
00:39:24,329 --> 00:39:21,069
you put your weight onto somebody you

868
00:39:26,730 --> 00:39:24,339
can actually push them over or if you

869
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:26,740
don't they can maintain strength and you

870
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:28,240
can say well it's the bracelet that did

871
00:39:31,290 --> 00:39:30,130
it but Chrissie I think knows a little

872
00:39:33,450 --> 00:39:31,300
bit about that too don't you Chrissie

873
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:33,460
yeah I mean the problem here is that if

874
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:35,710
you have this experience of this thing

875
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:38,530
working or seeming to work then that's a

876
00:39:42,030 --> 00:39:40,210
that's going to have a very powerful

877
00:39:44,010 --> 00:39:42,040
impact on you and you'll go away

878
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:44,020
believing that this thing does work so

879
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:46,240
Chrissie dare I say placebo effect oh

880
00:39:50,849 --> 00:39:48,609
absolutely but not just a perceiver

881
00:39:53,069 --> 00:39:50,859
effect oh you get this sort of stuff at

882
00:39:55,050 --> 00:39:53,079
psychic fairs and mind-body-spirit

883
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:55,060
festival type things where people go

884
00:39:59,160 --> 00:39:57,130
along and they've all they already go

885
00:40:00,650 --> 00:39:59,170
along armed with the idea or the belief

886
00:40:03,620 --> 00:40:00,660
that this stuff works

887
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:03,630
or the desire to be convinced that it

888
00:40:07,819 --> 00:40:06,000
works so you're already halfway there to

889
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:07,829
believing so they go along they have

890
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:09,930
this demonstration and it seems to work

891
00:40:14,930 --> 00:40:13,170
and they're convinced so really it

892
00:40:17,029 --> 00:40:14,940
doesn't take very much evidence to

893
00:40:19,579 --> 00:40:17,039
convince someone that this sort of stuff

894
00:40:21,470 --> 00:40:19,589
works because they want to believe and

895
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:21,480
that's very very powerful for a lot of

896
00:40:25,279 --> 00:40:23,609
people and also Glenn you know with

897
00:40:27,740 --> 00:40:25,289
Power Balance for example their

898
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:27,750
testimonials are coming from people that

899
00:40:32,839 --> 00:40:29,609
are very successful and high-powered

900
00:40:35,779 --> 00:40:32,849
like you know famous swimmers or famous

901
00:40:37,549 --> 00:40:35,789
sports people so that is very convincing

902
00:40:40,940 --> 00:40:37,559
to people to if you hear that say

903
00:40:43,010 --> 00:40:40,950
someone who is very well respected is

904
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,020
wearing it and says it works well that's

905
00:40:47,089 --> 00:40:45,119
going to help convince you and they also

906
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:47,099
do some pretty tricky stuff here with

907
00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:49,770
science words so you notice I mentioned

908
00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:51,420
there's a hologram embedded in this

909
00:40:56,900 --> 00:40:54,569
bracelet well they talked about energies

910
00:40:58,460 --> 00:40:56,910
and aligning energies and influencing

911
00:41:01,220 --> 00:40:58,470
everything on the pack that it comes

912
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:01,230
with and I really just I laughed well

913
00:41:04,370 --> 00:41:02,880
I'm a scientist as you know and that

914
00:41:06,019 --> 00:41:04,380
doesn't make any sense to me

915
00:41:08,809 --> 00:41:06,029
scientifically but if you don't

916
00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:08,819
understand science it can sound science

917
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:10,710
II if you like and that sort of lends it

918
00:41:14,420 --> 00:41:12,960
legitimacy well it's very seductive I

919
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:14,430
mean any kind of pseudo scientific

920
00:41:18,349 --> 00:41:16,890
claptrap is going to is going to seduce

921
00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:18,359
people into believing that there's some

922
00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:20,220
kind of credibility behind it

923
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:23,700
it's it but it's like you know we know

924
00:41:29,359 --> 00:41:27,210
with the the TGA that they have to if

925
00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:29,369
you're if you're saying that a medicine

926
00:41:33,410 --> 00:41:30,900
for example is going to do something or

927
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:33,420
if some special mix is going to do

928
00:41:37,099 --> 00:41:34,710
something then it has to be proven that

929
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:37,109
it can do something why is it that this

930
00:41:41,569 --> 00:41:38,730
particular product the power balance

931
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:41,579
wristband and I quote here from the

932
00:41:44,420 --> 00:41:43,049
website which is in your magazine it

933
00:41:45,650 --> 00:41:44,430
says how does it work most everything

934
00:41:47,420 --> 00:41:45,660
has a frequencies what you're referring

935
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:47,430
to right yeah how does it work most

936
00:41:51,500 --> 00:41:49,200
everything has a frequency inherent to

937
00:41:52,970 --> 00:41:51,510
it some frequencies react positively

938
00:41:54,890 --> 00:41:52,980
with your body and others negatively

939
00:41:57,049 --> 00:41:54,900
when the hologram comes into contact

940
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:57,059
with your body's energy field it allows

941
00:42:00,529 --> 00:41:58,770
your body to interact with the natural

942
00:42:03,049 --> 00:42:00,539
beneficial frequency stored within the

943
00:42:05,529 --> 00:42:03,059
hologram this results in improved energy

944
00:42:09,950 --> 00:42:05,539
flow throughout your body

945
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:09,960
that's just gobbledygook isn't it I was

946
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:11,450
losing the will to live just

947
00:42:15,850 --> 00:42:14,450
sorry but you know we like to think of

948
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:15,860
it as this Glenn we like to think of

949
00:42:19,660 --> 00:42:17,810
taking scientific words and pulling them

950
00:42:21,250 --> 00:42:19,670
into a hatch and then pulling them out

951
00:42:22,810 --> 00:42:21,260
at random and just putting them on the

952
00:42:24,580 --> 00:42:22,820
page because that's what that sounds

953
00:42:26,770 --> 00:42:24,590
like to me as a scientist it makes no

954
00:42:28,570 --> 00:42:26,780
sense at all but people want to believe

955
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:28,580
in this stuff I want to believe that

956
00:42:32,770 --> 00:42:31,010
little granite pendants will make them

957
00:42:35,650 --> 00:42:32,780
sexier and better-looking and all the

958
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:35,660
rest of it little armbands will enhance

959
00:42:40,990 --> 00:42:38,450
their their prowess and blah blah blah

960
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:41,000
but you know it's inherent in man to

961
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:43,490
believe in these sort of things and it's

962
00:42:47,530 --> 00:42:45,890
when it comes down to $60 a pop that you

963
00:42:48,940 --> 00:42:47,540
have to wonder about the ethics of

964
00:42:51,490 --> 00:42:48,950
someone's selling it when they know it

965
00:42:53,830 --> 00:42:51,500
doesn't do anything yeah yeah but you

966
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:53,840
know buyer beware I suppose and as I

967
00:42:58,090 --> 00:42:56,330
said to my mate at the gym but you know

968
00:42:59,830 --> 00:42:58,100
he was still convinced that it was he

969
00:43:01,060 --> 00:42:59,840
said look I've just tested it on and

970
00:43:03,610 --> 00:43:01,070
needed a couple of people in the gym

971
00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:03,620
just random type stuff and yes they're a

972
00:43:07,180 --> 00:43:04,910
bit wobbly at first and then they

973
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:07,190
weren't so wobbly and exactly as you

974
00:43:10,510 --> 00:43:08,810
just said Chris yes a bang that there's

975
00:43:12,610 --> 00:43:10,520
a psyche thing going on here there's

976
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:12,620
people wanting to believe that it's

977
00:43:15,490 --> 00:43:13,970
actually doing something for more

978
00:43:16,990 --> 00:43:15,500
they're resisting more the second time

979
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:17,000
around or whatever it is it's just down

980
00:43:19,930 --> 00:43:18,410
to suggestion yeah

981
00:43:21,700 --> 00:43:19,940
yeah you should never underestimate the

982
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:21,710
power anyway no one has been able to

983
00:43:24,580 --> 00:43:22,910
prove there's any sort of science behind

984
00:43:26,590 --> 00:43:24,590
it and of course there's no science

985
00:43:29,530 --> 00:43:26,600
behind it and if there was they'd be

986
00:43:30,970 --> 00:43:29,540
happy to take up the skeptics challenge

987
00:43:33,370 --> 00:43:30,980
you have a thousand dollars you can come

988
00:43:34,780 --> 00:43:33,380
to us and we will test you using a

989
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:34,790
scientific test and if you can prove

990
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:36,650
that it works we give you a hundred

991
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:38,480
thousand and I should mention Glenn we

992
00:43:42,070 --> 00:43:39,650
also have a twenty thousand dollar

993
00:43:43,780 --> 00:43:42,080
spotters fee so if anyone out there

994
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:43,790
knows of someone who might want to sit

995
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:45,770
our test and they can get them to come

996
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:47,210
and participate they can get twenty

997
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:49,730
thousand dollars - okay all right so

998
00:43:52,990 --> 00:43:50,720
there we are if there's something that's

999
00:43:54,820 --> 00:43:53,000
that you think is worthwhile checking

1000
00:43:56,830 --> 00:43:54,830
out then you could get the spotters fee

1001
00:43:58,990 --> 00:43:56,840
of 20 grand and if if indeed you've got

1002
00:44:00,310 --> 00:43:59,000
something like the the power risk

1003
00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:00,320
balance thing or whatever and you want

1004
00:44:03,220 --> 00:44:02,000
to prove the skeptics wrong you could

1005
00:44:05,140 --> 00:44:03,230
pocket a hundred thousand dollars what

1006
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:05,150
else have we got but what about the the

1007
00:44:09,730 --> 00:44:07,250
UF UF o-- though apparently I was away

1008
00:44:11,740 --> 00:44:09,740
this week but now a UFO seen here in

1009
00:44:14,140 --> 00:44:11,750
Sydney there was Glenn last week there

1010
00:44:17,350 --> 00:44:14,150
was a UFO in fact there was photographic

1011
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:17,360
evidence of a UFO in Chipping Norton it

1012
00:44:22,750 --> 00:44:20,480
was taken by a lady at sunset and she

1013
00:44:24,220 --> 00:44:22,760
aimed her iPhone towards the sunset and

1014
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:24,230
then when she looked at the photo she

1015
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:24,890
saw this

1016
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:28,010
blurry black spots in the middle of the

1017
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:32,240
sunset and she said that it sort of

1018
00:44:36,100 --> 00:44:34,250
moved into the center of the image and

1019
00:44:39,250 --> 00:44:36,110
then it moved away very quickly and

1020
00:44:41,380 --> 00:44:39,260
silently which often UFOs do and she was

1021
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:41,390
certain that it was an unidentified

1022
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:43,210
flying object of possibly alien

1023
00:44:48,340 --> 00:44:46,370
description we just had a look at the

1024
00:44:51,370 --> 00:44:48,350
photos before Chrissy and what was your

1025
00:44:53,980 --> 00:44:51,380
impression of other yeah well if if the

1026
00:44:56,020 --> 00:44:53,990
perspective is correct this thing should

1027
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:56,030
have been huge I mean it you should just

1028
00:44:59,290 --> 00:44:57,440
about have been able to see the little

1029
00:45:01,240 --> 00:44:59,300
green men in the in the front of the

1030
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:01,250
cockpit I mean we should have been huge

1031
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:04,160
I mean could have been anything it to me

1032
00:45:08,530 --> 00:45:06,290
it looks like it might well have been a

1033
00:45:10,660 --> 00:45:08,540
weather balloon something like that but

1034
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:10,670
apparently she was the only person who

1035
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:12,530
saw it I mean I don't know how big

1036
00:45:16,330 --> 00:45:14,090
Chipping Norton is but presumably if

1037
00:45:18,580 --> 00:45:16,340
there was this enormous spaceship

1038
00:45:20,830 --> 00:45:18,590
floating around shipping lore you'd

1039
00:45:22,690 --> 00:45:20,840
think someone else might just have

1040
00:45:24,610 --> 00:45:22,700
spotted it well if anyone has seen that

1041
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:24,620
television show called V in the very

1042
00:45:28,810 --> 00:45:26,690
first episode they show these huge ships

1043
00:45:31,090 --> 00:45:28,820
that fly over and sort of sit on the top

1044
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:31,100
of the major cities and from the photo

1045
00:45:35,590 --> 00:45:33,650
that we saw in the newspaper it looks

1046
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:35,600
like it would be that size like to cover

1047
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:38,450
maybe the most of the CBD so I'm

1048
00:45:43,570 --> 00:45:40,370
surprised to Chrissy that only one

1049
00:45:45,550 --> 00:45:43,580
person reported it and saw it so but did

1050
00:45:48,580 --> 00:45:45,560
you know Glenn that there there is a UFO

1051
00:45:50,830 --> 00:45:48,590
research sort of reporting agency in New

1052
00:45:51,970 --> 00:45:50,840
South Wales oh yeah don't tell me it's

1053
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:51,980
government-funded as well I'll be

1054
00:45:58,380 --> 00:45:54,890
horrible I don't know but they they say

1055
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:58,390
that they get between 1,000 and 1,500

1056
00:46:02,650 --> 00:46:00,800
reports of sightings in Australia every

1057
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:02,660
year of your face but once again I

1058
00:46:05,650 --> 00:46:04,640
suppose at all it's all subjectivism if

1059
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:05,660
there are people out there that probably

1060
00:46:10,780 --> 00:46:08,930
want to see UFOs well UFO simply means

1061
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:10,790
unidentified flying object it could be

1062
00:46:13,810 --> 00:46:11,930
something that you just can't identify

1063
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:13,820
what it is it doesn't necessarily mean

1064
00:46:18,610 --> 00:46:16,610
that there's an alien spaceship up there

1065
00:46:20,620 --> 00:46:18,620
it could be anything it could be

1066
00:46:21,850 --> 00:46:20,630
reflections of light spots on the winds

1067
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:21,860
I think it was a spot on the wind

1068
00:46:25,540 --> 00:46:23,930
screaming well yeah in the news article

1069
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:25,550
they said skeptics are going to say that

1070
00:46:29,830 --> 00:46:27,650
it's a speck of dust either on the

1071
00:46:31,930 --> 00:46:29,840
windscreen or on the camera and I'm

1072
00:46:33,310 --> 00:46:31,940
tending towards that myself

1073
00:46:35,770 --> 00:46:33,320
see a lot of this stuff can be beaten up

1074
00:46:37,870 --> 00:46:35,780
into a story though that's ok oh yeah

1075
00:46:39,850 --> 00:46:37,880
people can choose exciting people want

1076
00:46:41,380 --> 00:46:39,860
to believe it exactly right I mean one

1077
00:46:42,820 --> 00:46:41,390
of the reasons why I like em you guys on

1078
00:46:44,770 --> 00:46:42,830
here is because it just throws that

1079
00:46:46,210 --> 00:46:44,780
element of you know question Orcas

1080
00:46:47,890 --> 00:46:46,220
question stuff okay

1081
00:46:49,870 --> 00:46:47,900
questioner don't take it as read all the

1082
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:49,880
time and that just goes not just for

1083
00:46:52,210 --> 00:46:51,200
what these sorts of things are we're

1084
00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:52,220
talking about that case for everything

1085
00:46:56,770 --> 00:46:53,630
that goes for news articles food with

1086
00:46:58,360 --> 00:46:56,780
the media have we work in the media

1087
00:47:00,700 --> 00:46:58,370
media have agenda sometimes that they

1088
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:00,710
want to push Stephanie I might say is on

1089
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:02,690
email Stephanie from Canon just entered

1090
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:03,920
Lima and I think maybe has

1091
00:47:07,860 --> 00:47:05,570
misinterpreted what we just discussed in

1092
00:47:11,050 --> 00:47:07,870
relation to the the brisk bracelet

1093
00:47:13,300 --> 00:47:11,060
stephanie says what a lot of something

1094
00:47:14,860 --> 00:47:13,310
obviously I've seen this done in person

1095
00:47:17,350 --> 00:47:14,870
with this product and with at Italian

1096
00:47:18,970 --> 00:47:17,360
product I am a scientist Eddie's BES she

1097
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:18,980
says people believe what they want to

1098
00:47:21,730 --> 00:47:20,450
believe I yeah I've also seen five out

1099
00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:21,740
of ten people come off balance with the

1100
00:47:24,460 --> 00:47:23,510
product these girls are not talking

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00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:24,470
science they're talking hologram

1102
00:47:27,220 --> 00:47:25,850
bracelet gimmick talk people into

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00:47:28,420 --> 00:47:27,230
believing girls either but will I know

1104
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:28,430
the trick behind making people stay

1105
00:47:32,140 --> 00:47:29,810
balanced and unbalanced by but utter

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00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:32,150
crap for sixty dollars now I think

1107
00:47:39,420 --> 00:47:33,410
Stephanie you might have misunderstood

1108
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:39,430
we're not promoting it no no it's Robbie

1109
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:43,370
don't bother read a book I made a book

1110
00:47:46,990 --> 00:47:44,930
get a rubber band and put that around

1111
00:47:48,910 --> 00:47:47,000
your wrist it's the same and it won't

1112
00:47:50,410 --> 00:47:48,920
cost you as much we're all on the same

1113
00:47:51,850 --> 00:47:50,420
page together we're all in this together

1114
00:47:54,010 --> 00:47:51,860
listen we're gonna write our talk what

1115
00:47:56,380 --> 00:47:54,020
about the was an incident in northern

1116
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:56,390
Turkey raining yes yes there's an

1117
00:47:59,650 --> 00:47:58,130
isolated Aboriginal community called

1118
00:48:01,990 --> 00:47:59,660
larger man who which is about eight

1119
00:48:04,060 --> 00:48:02,000
hundred KS south of Darwin or twelve

1120
00:48:05,950 --> 00:48:04,070
hundred north of Adelaide so right in

1121
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:05,960
the middle of nowhere last week they

1122
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:08,450
reported fish falling from the sky and

1123
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:11,450
it were photographs again of these fish

1124
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:13,370
and apparently it happens there about

1125
00:48:19,420 --> 00:48:16,250
every decade so recently there's been

1126
00:48:20,890 --> 00:48:19,430
extensive rains in that area and I spoke

1127
00:48:23,590 --> 00:48:20,900
to a guy who actually lives in that area

1128
00:48:25,630 --> 00:48:23,600
a couple of days ago and his theory was

1129
00:48:27,820 --> 00:48:25,640
not that they actually rained from the

1130
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:27,830
sky you know from the heavens or was

1131
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,280
some sort of you know supernatural sort

1132
00:48:35,140 --> 00:48:33,440
of event his theory was that there's

1133
00:48:36,580 --> 00:48:35,150
things called worldly well is that most

1134
00:48:38,410 --> 00:48:36,590
of us would be familiar with it might

1135
00:48:39,850 --> 00:48:38,420
have picked up some of these flooding

1136
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:39,860
water that could have had some fish in

1137
00:48:44,020 --> 00:48:41,930
it and soils it up take something yeah

1138
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:44,030
and then drops it down again yeah that's

1139
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:45,410
been going to happen they don't travel

1140
00:48:48,190 --> 00:48:46,850
very far so it couldn't have come from

1141
00:48:49,690 --> 00:48:48,200
the coast but it might have come from

1142
00:48:52,930 --> 00:48:49,700
some recent flooding

1143
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:52,940
okay yeah but but definitely not fish

1144
00:48:56,380 --> 00:48:54,890
just falling out of the sky yeah well

1145
00:48:58,510 --> 00:48:56,390
there's no video of that either I'm

1146
00:49:00,400 --> 00:48:58,520
Glenn because this area is well actually

1147
00:49:02,590 --> 00:49:00,410
it's a it's an aboriginal settlement

1148
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:02,600
there's not much technology apparently

1149
00:49:06,550 --> 00:49:04,850
there's spotty mobile coverage and stuff

1150
00:49:07,930 --> 00:49:06,560
too but there's no evidence once again

1151
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:07,940
to use chris's line it makes for a good

1152
00:49:10,510 --> 00:49:08,240
story

1153
00:49:12,910 --> 00:49:10,520
yep yep absolutely much more fun there's

1154
00:49:15,310 --> 00:49:12,920
something but some boring story about it

1155
00:49:17,590 --> 00:49:15,320
not happening wouldn't be great if your

1156
00:49:18,850 --> 00:49:17,600
brain fish ever

1157
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:18,860
oh it just depends what you want to

1158
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:21,050
believe really a Twitter I see you

1159
00:49:25,450 --> 00:49:22,730
recently won yourself a little Ward for

1160
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:25,460
rambling metric Twitter I did I won a

1161
00:49:30,450 --> 00:49:28,250
shorty award which is a sort of like the

1162
00:49:32,860 --> 00:49:30,460
Twitter Oscars Glenn in New York City

1163
00:49:34,660 --> 00:49:32,870
and I won for the health category so

1164
00:49:36,010 --> 00:49:34,670
that was for being the most interesting

1165
00:49:37,930 --> 00:49:36,020
person in the health category for the

1166
00:49:40,330 --> 00:49:37,940
last 12 months now I wanted to have a

1167
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:40,340
word with you I'm following you on

1168
00:49:42,970 --> 00:49:40,970
Twitter

1169
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:42,980
you never tweet now you keep follow me

1170
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:45,440
baby along with the other along with the

1171
00:49:49,450 --> 00:49:47,210
other however many hundreds or thousands

1172
00:49:51,130 --> 00:49:49,460
of following me I get I get update every

1173
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:51,140
every day from people following me on

1174
00:49:53,950 --> 00:49:52,970
Twitter and I keep looking behind me to

1175
00:49:56,050 --> 00:49:53,960
say where are these people that are

1176
00:49:58,210 --> 00:49:56,060
following okay yeah because I think you

1177
00:49:59,740 --> 00:49:58,220
put out one tweet saying I've now joined

1178
00:50:01,420 --> 00:49:59,750
Twitter and then that's about it have

1179
00:50:03,100 --> 00:50:01,430
you tweeted at all I have to I have to

1180
00:50:05,020 --> 00:50:03,110
write an article for virgin booze

1181
00:50:06,690 --> 00:50:05,030
in-flight magazine Boyer

1182
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:06,700
alright they wanted me to Twitter and

1183
00:50:10,990 --> 00:50:08,930
that was the experience that I had that

1184
00:50:12,820 --> 00:50:11,000
I had to have and that's it okay I'm

1185
00:50:14,020 --> 00:50:12,830
Twitter it out really you don't want to

1186
00:50:16,420 --> 00:50:14,030
know about what goes on in my life

1187
00:50:18,220 --> 00:50:16,430
Rachel truly well I don't know I'm

1188
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:18,230
following you I want to know just I'm

1189
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:19,850
going to unfollow you now you realize

1190
00:50:23,770 --> 00:50:21,490
that don't you you're wasting your time

1191
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:23,780
I'm telling you now save yourself the

1192
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,610
breath girl thank you for coming and

1193
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:27,440
thank you for clearing up another few

1194
00:50:30,190 --> 00:50:28,640
were all throwing some light should I

1195
00:50:33,310 --> 00:50:30,200
sound a few more little interesting

1196
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:33,320
facts or shall I say fictions of more

1197
00:50:40,430 --> 00:50:35,450
you're welcome anytime and please for

1198
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:40,440
more information go to WWE my you

1199
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:52,260
today is dr. Karl Karl Chris let's keep

1200
00:50:55,890 --> 00:50:53,710
proud to be a skeptic and you can find

1201
00:51:00,890 --> 00:50:55,900
out more about me at dr. Karl calm and

1202
00:51:00,900 --> 00:51:14,849
[Music]

1203
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:17,200
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1204
00:51:23,230 --> 00:51:20,000
zone now in this week's show notes I'll

1205
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:23,240
add a link to my latest appearance on

1206
00:51:27,849 --> 00:51:26,090
Sydney radio just the other night and in

1207
00:51:30,220 --> 00:51:27,859
fact that went all over Australia that's

1208
00:51:33,690 --> 00:51:30,230
syndicated which is fun and I talk to

1209
00:51:35,890 --> 00:51:33,700
host Mike Williams about cold reading a

1210
00:51:38,859 --> 00:51:35,900
15-minute chat to Mike Williams about

1211
00:51:40,270 --> 00:51:38,869
the psychic tricks of cold reading and

1212
00:51:41,770 --> 00:51:40,280
I'll just add a link there in the show

1213
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:41,780
notes if you click on that you go

1214
00:51:47,950 --> 00:51:45,050
straight to the archive page if you if

1215
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:47,960
you weren't listening if you didn't

1216
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:50,450
happen to listen at 4:00 a.m. or 5:00

1217
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:52,609
a.m. I'm not sure when it was it was

1218
00:51:57,849 --> 00:51:55,520
very early you can catch up on on that

1219
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:57,859
appearance a big thank you to the raw

1220
00:52:04,210 --> 00:52:01,280
skeptic Heidi Robinson for her very ah

1221
00:52:06,700 --> 00:52:04,220
thought-provoking report this week nice

1222
00:52:09,580 --> 00:52:06,710
one Heidi you make an excellent point

1223
00:52:11,530 --> 00:52:09,590
coming up on the next skeptic zone I

1224
00:52:14,980 --> 00:52:11,540
don't know I might chat to somebody up

1225
00:52:16,810 --> 00:52:14,990
in Queensland on the Gold Coast and to

1226
00:52:19,420 --> 00:52:16,820
do with the Gold Coast

1227
00:52:21,010 --> 00:52:19,430
skeptics this is interesting the Gold

1228
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:21,020
Coast skeptics of course have been going

1229
00:52:26,349 --> 00:52:23,810
for a very long time there's been a bit

1230
00:52:27,820 --> 00:52:26,359
of a handing over the baton up there so

1231
00:52:29,859 --> 00:52:27,830
we might catch up with the Gold Coast

1232
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:29,869
and see what's going on the Gold Coast

1233
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:32,089
for those of you who don't know is a yum

1234
00:52:37,450 --> 00:52:34,160
what is what do you want to call it a

1235
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:37,460
tourist mecca gold and beaches and sand

1236
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:41,119
and dolphins and that's sort of that

1237
00:52:46,329 --> 00:52:43,280
sort of thing famous for parties and

1238
00:52:48,609 --> 00:52:46,339
vacations but for this week with my

1239
00:52:52,750 --> 00:52:48,619
fidget spinner on the desk here let me

1240
00:52:56,349 --> 00:52:52,760
go there we go let's got the attention

1241
00:52:58,990 --> 00:52:56,359
of Henrietta now are you going to do

1242
00:53:00,670 --> 00:52:59,000
something about that he's just looking

1243
00:53:02,820 --> 00:53:00,680
at it while Henrietta looks at the

1244
00:53:06,190 --> 00:53:02,830
fidget spinner this is Richard Saunders

1245
00:53:11,150 --> 00:53:06,200
then after that signing off from Sydney

1246
00:53:17,370 --> 00:53:13,560
you've been listening to the skeptic

1247
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:17,380
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